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greetings citizens and welcome to

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i'm jason mcclellan thanks for hanging

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out with me if you listen to our

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previous episode our

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ufo happy hour episode you remember that

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we briefly discussed the hype

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surrounding a ufo story

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that reporters were in the process of

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assembling for the new york times

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well after weeks of unnecessary hype

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that story dropped on thursday july

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23rd the article is titled no longer in

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shadows pentagon's ufo unit will make

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some findings public

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and it was written by leslie kane and

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ralph blumenthal two of the authors

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of that now legendary new york times

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story from december 2017

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that exposed the pentagon's ufo program

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to the world

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what this new article essentially does

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is provide an overview of some of the

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ufo-related stories that have been

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generating buzz in recent months

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namely the intelligence authorization

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act for fiscal year 2021

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the unidentified aerial phenomenon task

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marco rubio's recent comments about ufos

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and comments about

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ufo crashes and recovered material

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by former senate majority leader harry

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begin our quick review of this article

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by taking a look at that last one

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the comments about crashed ufos and the

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retrieval of ufo materials

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the new york times article brings up

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harry reid because he was largely

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responsible for the funding

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and therefore the establishment of the

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pentagon's ufo program

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the advanced aerospace threat

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identification program or atip

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that officially operated from 2007

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2012. mentioned of the former head of

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atip

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luis elizondo is how the article

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introduced the topic of ufo crash

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the article states quote mr elizondo is

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among a small group of former government

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officials and scientists with security

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clearances who

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without presenting physical proof say

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they are convinced that objects of

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undetermined origin have crashed on

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earth with materials retrieved for study

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end quote that organization of course is

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to the star's academy of arts and

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a group that has publicly announced that

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it's actively worked to acquire various

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pieces of material from alleged ufo

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harry reid reportedly told the times

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quote after looking into this

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reports some were substantive

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actual materials that the government

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quote to reed the article originally

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that crashes of vehicles from other

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worlds had occurred

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and that retrieved materials had been

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studied secretly for decades

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often by aerospace companies under

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any entity has unidentified flying

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i have consistently said we must stick

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not fairy tales about little green men

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access program

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connect with other secret programs

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that that was valid or not valid but i

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recently as march about retrievals from

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that generated the most attention from

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let's come back to this in a few minutes

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the article mentioned the intelligence

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within a draft of the intelligence

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on behalf of the senate select committee

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was a section contained in the committee

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requests that a detailed analysis of ufo

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data and reports from various

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be assembled and submitted to the

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the times article incorrectly states

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that the unidentified aerial phenomenon

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organization specifically by name

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around whether this group already exists

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the report being requested specifically

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asks for quote a detailed analysis of

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you can't really support the efforts of

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indications that the uap task force

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director of government programs and

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stating that quote the senate select

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doesn't exist yet and to add to the

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pentagon spokesperson susan gao issued a

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department of defense is quote

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performance and or signatures the

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mission of the task force

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so what we have here with regards to the

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is a giant mess of confusion does it

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is it the continuation of atip that

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representatives who knows if the

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original language from the advanced

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aerial threats section

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made it into the final bill when i first

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talked about 3905 on this show

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i pointed out that scopos labs a company

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that uses artificial intelligence to

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predict policy outcomes

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had this bill listed at a 49 chance of

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being enacted

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well this company has a worse outlook

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for 4049

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it has this bill listed at a three

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percent chance of being enacted

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three percent again wouldn't put much

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stock into that but

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that's what it says three percent chance

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of being enacted and

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as researcher d dean johnson recently

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pointed out on twitter

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even if the bill is enacted all of the

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uap stuff the request for the report

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won't actually be law it will simply be

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an expression of the will of congress

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and as we've commented on previous

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episodes

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even if key people in congress decide to

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push the issue

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it's really up to the different

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organizations to decide if they want to

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listen

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and then decide how much if any

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information

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they want to share we'll keep an eye on

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this and hopefully something good comes

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of it

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but it's certainly not anything we need

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to get excited about just yet

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alright let's get back to eric davis's

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statement about giving classified

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briefings to a defense department agency

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as recently as march

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about retrievals from quote off-world

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vehicles not made on this earth end

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quote

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obviously this statement is the most

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sensational and noteworthy claim

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of the new york times story it's what

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media outlets around the world have

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focused on

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popular mechanics wrote a spin-off story

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on july 26th titled

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pentagon has off-world vehicles not made

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on this earth

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now clearly this is sloppy

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and irresponsible reporting by popular

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mechanics because

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that's not what the time story states a

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former pentagon consultant

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alleged that he briefed the pentagon

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about crash retrievals

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so somebody else allegedly has recovered

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off-world vehicles not the pentagon the

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popular mechanic story

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also boldly asserts quote the

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government's once-clandestine ufo

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program

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will reveal findings on unexplained

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material and crashes

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end quote again this is just sloppy

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reporting

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nowhere does the time story claim that

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the uap task force will have

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anything to do with quote unexplained

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materials and crashes end quote

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sadly this is just one example of the

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flood of

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factually incorrect reporting that is

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resulting from the time story

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we talked a bit last week about the

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unnecessary hype that was generated

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about this story on social media

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weeks and even months before it was

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published we mentioned how this type of

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behavior

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and these actions can actually

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negatively affect the story

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and the people behind a story well on

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july 25th project unity conducted an

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interview with the authors of the times

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article

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leslie kane and rob blumenthal and these

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authors addressed

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just how social media rumors gossip and

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hype

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affected the story and i want to say

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something else that leslie that you

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raised jay and that leslie

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mentioned the frenzy on the internet

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with this story

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i just want to say it does not help if

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you're out there as a new york times

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reporter trying to put together a story

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to find this traffic back and forth

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about

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you know giving away snippets of your

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story that maybe your sources

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you know were able to impart to somebody

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else or

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uh little leaks of things that make your

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life more difficult

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for people who supposedly are concerned

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about getting the truth out

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it really gets in the way and it really

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it it annoyed us to no end um

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to have to worry about not only nailing

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down the facts of the story

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but you know keeping it watching our

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backs because um

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people were sniping at our heels and

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they're gonna do this they're gonna do

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that and speculation often based on

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absolutely no information whatsoever

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this is what they're gonna talk about

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this is what the times is gonna do

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and it really is a very infantile

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environment to be working in for a

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serious subject so i would

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you know urge people in this field who

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seem to or say they have the interest of

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you know getting at the truth at heart

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to to give

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reporters a little slack when they're

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serious reporters when they're looking

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into something

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because it it definitely got in the way

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we don't want

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competing media to even know we're

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working on a story at all

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period you know and um let alone

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you know have people talk about what

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they think the story is going to be

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about

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the other problem is that there's such a

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build up

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of expectation that then some people

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when it comes out express

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disappointment what is this all it is

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and i think

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the power of the story gets lost in this

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kind of

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frenzied expectation that was built up

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and i want to make the point that ralph

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and i had absolutely nothing to do with

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any of that this is a self-generated

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self-created

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kind of intense you know discussion and

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rumor and all this stuff and then it's

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just sort of like when the story comes

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out you know oh

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so it's just i i would i would echo

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ralph it would be of great help i think

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to us

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and to everybody to not do this in the

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future

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it just doesn't serve any purpose that i

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can see

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this interview provides some great

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insight into the article and answers

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many questions that people have raised

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since it was published

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i highly recommend checking it out if

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this story is of interest to you

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so when we step back and look at this

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recent new york times story

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it's awesome to see more digging and

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more reporting related to the ufo topic

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although this particular story was

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mostly a general recap of some of the

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previously reported ufo news from recent

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months

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it's still cool to see any major outlet

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adding to the coverage

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however the errors made in the article

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that the times has had to address

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are unfortunate and all the sloppy

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misleading and

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in many cases just plain erroneous

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reporting by spin-off stories and other

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media outlets around the world

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is spreading the word about ufos sure

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but it's spreading

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inaccurate information i know lots of

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people think that any media is good

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media when it comes to ufos

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anything to get the topic into the

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mainstream and generate discussion

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but that just can't be the case

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especially with a topic like ufos

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nobody benefits from the spread of false

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information

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well except perhaps for people who want

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to spread fake information

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but ufo research and the push for ufos

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to be taken seriously

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and advocating for serious scientific

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scrutiny when it comes to this topic

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is dependent on truth truth is the focus

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not a desired narrative or a desired

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outcome

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it's following and discovering

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verifiable evidence

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and hopefully learning more about these

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mysterious ufos

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true advocates for ufo research and ufo

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disclosure

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should actually be angry when false

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information is propagated

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that's working backwards in pushing

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misstatements mistruths

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and even unverifiable claims play right

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into the narrative

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that ufo people are crazy delusional

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people

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who are fanatically set in their ways

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and therefore can't be taken seriously

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it's cool to get excited when mainstream

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media reports on ufos

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as it frequently does but we don't need

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to oversell these stories

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or make them a bigger deal than they are

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understand that

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if you are interested in the ufo topic a

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story about ufos

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is going to be a bigger deal to you than

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to others that's normal

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you don't need to force others to be as

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excited about it as you are

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always remember that ufos isn't a

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religion

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you don't need to convert people if you

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think recent ufo news is the biggest

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news ever

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that's cool and you should be excited

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about that

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but other people don't need to share

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your views or your excitement

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of course it's more fun when you have

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that shared excitement

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but don't focus on it lots of people

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want or

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need to feel like their beliefs have

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been confirmed a need for vindication

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i get that that always feels nice but

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just know that

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you don't need it and you can't force it

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be comfortable in your beliefs be

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willing to share information with others

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but think about sports teams politics

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diets religions or anything else in life

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nobody likes it when others push their

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beliefs or opinions

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so keep that in mind and don't try to

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push ufo information on others

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live your life own your fascination with

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ufos and enjoy your journey researching

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this crazy and mysterious subject

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well citizens that's going to do it for

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of unknown on all the major podcast

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and you can always find this show and

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ufo subject with the cautious and

581
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:31,760
responsible skepticism it deserves

582
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:33,919
question everything have the courage to

583
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:35,600
form your own opinions

584
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:38,000
keep truth as the focus of your quest

585
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:39,039
even if the truth

586
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:41,120
conflicts with your opinions and of